@DJ Thanks.... I know us DIY guys are a pain in the a**. We appreciate what you do and what you have to do now with the business.... I know in the long run the DIY community isn't where ez robot's needed growth will be. However, we are still committed to all things ez robot and if we can help you (ez robot) in anyway just let us know. I guess all we ask is for you to continue to throw us a "bone" once in awhile as you always have done in the past...
what about rasberry pi with ezb like intel joule it can run windows etc and it less price even though rasberry pi is 35 dollars or rasberry pi zero 5 dollars
is that correct idea confusedconfusedconfusedconfused
Raspberry pi is an arm based and not the same as joule at all - there's not even a comparison because it's an entire different architecture. Raspberry pi cannot run Windows, it runs windows iot. You can find more information on the internet about raspberry pi if you wish. There will never be a raspberry pi ezb. Besides, the form factory will never ever work.
Diy community isn't a source of revenue, that's understood. However, it's a source of friendship and ideas and mutual technological perspectives - which makes it a valuable asset which will not be overlooked, and never has. Additionally, the diy community is education as well - you all knew very little before and now you know a lot more - ezrobot has been an educational product since day one, nothing has changed.
Any product that helps you grow and build something is an educational product - make magazine is an educational magazine. Instructables is an educational website service. Everything that teaches you is educational - calling it diy is a synonym, except calling it an educational platform actually produces sales in the industry.
So yes, the focus is still diy education - nothing has changed. Refining a product and having it actually work as committed/advertised is what matters to me and why ezrobot succeeds. Sure it may take a little more time, or you can buy an arduino and figure it out on your own - either way, ezrobot's products were always work and provide the quality that you won't find anywhere else. Which is why anyone that tries to leave, comes back...
The v5 POC is a proof of concept - sure one day something like that is the goal. Maybe sooner than later. But until it is, the v5 is POC - I can't repeat that any more without sounding like a broken record. What you all want from the v5 isn't going to make you very happy at the moment. The v5 POC takes for ever to boot up, because it's a real operating system. It uses a tremendous amount of current, and you're always going to need some form of display anyway to monitor/program/tweak/interact with the robot....
I still believe the best option is a gear best mini PC over wifi.
Wow, DJ, thanks for the insight and the thoughts on the V5 and how the DIY people may feel about it. It helps me to decide my direction. However I'm still going to get a few when they are available.
It's great to hear us DIY people are still a part of your concept. I've always understood why EZ Robot went the Revolution route. Gotta grow, gotta expand, gotta explore, gotta keep paying the bills. Also one of the things I've learned about you over these past years is that you're really concerned and get a kick out of teaching people and helping them to learn new things. The world is a better place because of you. I know mine is.
I know that DIY is all you mention in your above post. However it also a source of revenue. Not as large as Revolution but still a source and any income source is good. DIY guys not only buy the individual parts but I bet most of us also buy the Revolution robots also. If not for us then as gifts or learning tools. I bought a Revolution Six for a young family member who is trying to find a direction in life and whose only real interest is learning something about electronics. Who knows, maybe that little spider will save his life. Thanks for your vision and passion DJ.
@DJ The V5 sounded absolutely awesome... Squeezing a windows 10 pc into the form factor of an ezb was just so cool (way to go Jeremie )... With what you just said however (and upon reflection), the way we have it now is so much more convenient.... Since the EZB4/2 is so much more stable over wifi (not that the regular EZB4 wasn't), it makes an on-board computer only relevant in certain circumstances (like an outdoor robot or finished software version project). For me a fast laptop with a large hi-res display is an ideal mobile and non-mobile platform for ARC. It's the best of both worlds... At one point I thought about putting an on-board PC in my inMoov (actually until just recently), but the lack of keyboard and mouse would make it more frustrating to update his software on the fly, which I tend to do a lot of....
Long as you understand that diy and education are synonyms. There will always be individual components and the iotiny, for example. I see everything ezrobot has ever done as educational - without growth we stand still... And that's not living
For the onboard PC - the /2 has a serial port option for direct connection. You do lose the camera port, but that's irrelevant because an onboard pc has USB for a camera anyway.
The /2 simply requires a firmware update for that feature.
There's also a mic update for the /2 and IoTiny as well that I'm working on.
The Kit (Cpu Board + Camera) = $249, if we remove the camera the CPU board cost is $150.
Board specs
Quote:
Dimensions: 3.37 in x 2.22 in / 85.60 mm × 56.5 mm
Processor: Intel® Atom Processor x5-Z8350
Graphics: Intel® HD Graphics
Camera interface: CSI (4 megapixel)
Expansion: 40-pin general purpose bus, supported by Altera*
Real-time-clock (RTC): Yes
Power: 5V DC-in at 3A 5.5/2.1 mm jack
Memory: 4 GB DDR3L-1600
Storage capacity: 32 GB eMMC
Compatible operating system: Linux*, Ubuntu*
USB 2.0: 4 x UB 2.0, 2 x USB 2.0 pin header (10 pins total)
USB 3.0: 1 x UB 3.0 OTG
Ethernet: 1 x Gb Ethernet (full speed) RJ-45
Display interface: DSI/ eDP
Video and audio: HDMI 1.4b, I2S audio port
vs
Joule Board Kit $400
I don't understand...
Two boards competing in the same space ?
Isn't the Joule Atom's replacement ?
@DJ Thanks.... I know us DIY guys are a pain in the a**. We appreciate what you do and what you have to do now with the business.... I know in the long run the DIY community isn't where ez robot's needed growth will be. However, we are still committed to all things ez robot and if we can help you (ez robot) in anyway just let us know. I guess all we ask is for you to continue to throw us a "bone" once in awhile as you always have done in the past...
what about rasberry pi with ezb like intel joule it can run windows etc and it less price even though rasberry pi is 35 dollars or rasberry pi zero 5 dollars
is that correct idea confused confused confused confused
Raspberry pi is an arm based and not the same as joule at all - there's not even a comparison because it's an entire different architecture. Raspberry pi cannot run Windows, it runs windows iot. You can find more information on the internet about raspberry pi if you wish. There will never be a raspberry pi ezb. Besides, the form factory will never ever work.
Diy community isn't a source of revenue, that's understood. However, it's a source of friendship and ideas and mutual technological perspectives - which makes it a valuable asset which will not be overlooked, and never has. Additionally, the diy community is education as well - you all knew very little before and now you know a lot more - ezrobot has been an educational product since day one, nothing has changed.
Any product that helps you grow and build something is an educational product - make magazine is an educational magazine. Instructables is an educational website service. Everything that teaches you is educational - calling it diy is a synonym, except calling it an educational platform actually produces sales in the industry.
So yes, the focus is still diy education - nothing has changed. Refining a product and having it actually work as committed/advertised is what matters to me and why ezrobot succeeds. Sure it may take a little more time, or you can buy an arduino and figure it out on your own - either way, ezrobot's products were always work and provide the quality that you won't find anywhere else. Which is why anyone that tries to leave, comes back...
The v5 POC is a proof of concept - sure one day something like that is the goal. Maybe sooner than later. But until it is, the v5 is POC - I can't repeat that any more without sounding like a broken record. What you all want from the v5 isn't going to make you very happy at the moment. The v5 POC takes for ever to boot up, because it's a real operating system. It uses a tremendous amount of current, and you're always going to need some form of display anyway to monitor/program/tweak/interact with the robot....
I still believe the best option is a gear best mini PC over wifi.
Wow, DJ, thanks for the insight and the thoughts on the V5 and how the DIY people may feel about it. It helps me to decide my direction. However I'm still going to get a few when they are available.
It's great to hear us DIY people are still a part of your concept. I've always understood why EZ Robot went the Revolution route. Gotta grow, gotta expand, gotta explore, gotta keep paying the bills. Also one of the things I've learned about you over these past years is that you're really concerned and get a kick out of teaching people and helping them to learn new things. The world is a better place because of you. I know mine is.
I know that DIY is all you mention in your above post. However it also a source of revenue. Not as large as Revolution but still a source and any income source is good. DIY guys not only buy the individual parts but I bet most of us also buy the Revolution robots also. If not for us then as gifts or learning tools. I bought a Revolution Six for a young family member who is trying to find a direction in life and whose only real interest is learning something about electronics. Who knows, maybe that little spider will save his life.
Thanks for your vision and passion DJ.
@DJ The V5 sounded absolutely awesome... Squeezing a windows 10 pc into the form factor of an ezb was just so cool (way to go Jeremie
)... With what you just said however (and upon reflection), the way we have it now is so much more convenient.... Since the EZB4/2 is so much more stable over wifi (not that the regular EZB4 wasn't), it makes an on-board computer only relevant in certain circumstances (like an outdoor robot or finished software version project). For me a fast laptop with a large hi-res display is an ideal mobile and non-mobile platform for ARC. It's the best of both worlds... At one point I thought about putting an on-board PC in my inMoov (actually until just recently), but the lack of keyboard and mouse would make it more frustrating to update his software on the fly, which I tend to do a lot of....
Long as you understand that diy and education are synonyms. There will always be individual components and the iotiny, for example. I see everything ezrobot has ever done as educational - without growth we stand still... And that's not living
For the onboard PC - the /2 has a serial port option for direct connection. You do lose the camera port, but that's irrelevant because an onboard pc has USB for a camera anyway.
The /2 simply requires a firmware update for that feature.
There's also a mic update for the /2 and IoTiny as well that I'm working on.
Mixed signals...
Intel Robotic Kit (Preorder): https://software.intel.com/en-us/realsense/robotic-devkit
The Kit (Cpu Board + Camera) = $249, if we remove the camera the CPU board cost is $150.
Board specs
vs
Joule Board Kit $400
I don't understand... Two boards competing in the same space ?
Isn't the Joule Atom's replacement ?
yep and agree that the price point is jacked up right now.