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Multiple Batteries Advantages Requires less design time Can be more efficient Disadvantages Various parts of the robot will stop working at different times Multiple batteries to recharge How do you know if you need multiple batteries? Check the nominal voltage of each of the products you selected:
Electronics (microcontroller, motor controller power etc) usually operate at 9V-12V. Some operate at low as 3.3V and 5V. Actuators (DC gear motors, stepper motors, servos etc) usually operate at 6V to 12V. A few operate as low as 3V Sensors usually operate 5V Based on the ranges above, it's easy to see how, wen selecting optimal components for your project, that the voltage range may differ for each type of component. Fortunately most microcontrollers has a built-in voltage regulator which provides 5V to the I/O pins, so you don't need a dedicated 5V battery. Should you choose a normal microcontroller, it's likely that the voltage range is 9V to 12V. Operating a normal hobby servo motor (rated at 4.8V to 6V) from a 9V to 12V battery would quickly burn it. What to do? The easiest option would be to use a smaller 12V battery for the microcontroller, and a larger 6V battery for the servos.
One Battery Advantages One battery to charge Lighter weight Disadvantages (May) require voltage regulator A bit more complex to understand and wire Continuing the example above, where we chose a 12V microcontroller and 4.8V to 6V hobby servos, we have the option of using one (larger) 6V battery pack and a step-up voltage regulator. A voltage regulator does exactly as the name implies; it regulates the voltage. In our case we would need one which can accept 6V input and step it up to 12V.
Choosing a lower motor voltage does not automatically mean the list of motors available to you will be low power. However, a high voltage motor (36V, 48V, 60V) tends to be reserved for large DC motors. The second approach is to first select the ideal motor and design your robot's electronics system around the indicated nominal voltage. Both approaches have their advantages and disadvantages and it is up to you to choose which you prefer.
Voltage dividers allow you to power electromechanical devices at different voltages. Voltage dividers are purely electrical devices with no programming involved. If you do not want to use voltage dividers, most electronics operate at 5 to 9V, so choosing either 6 or 9V as your robot's supply voltage is the best choice (never assume an electronic device operates at 6 or 9V: you always need to read the supply voltage specifications for each electronic component). The other option is to use two different power supplies: one for the motors and another (smaller one) for the electronics.
Should you wish to operate your robot at 9V, you can often still choose a 12V motor, though you must keep in mind the rpm will be less that that listed (estimated as a fraction of the nominal value) and the motor efficiency will be slightly reduced.
Tips / Tricks Standard battery voltages are:
1.2V: one rechargeable NiMh AA or AAA battery (unless you want a really small robot, one cell does not do much) 1.5V: one Alkaline AA or AAA battery(disadvantage of not being rechargeable and can't do much on its own) 2.4v: two rechargeable AA or AAA batteries; still can't do much on their own, even for small robots 3V: two alkaline AA or AAA batteries; most microcontrollers cannot operate at this voltage, let alone most actuators. 3.6V: three rechargeable NiMh AA or AAA batteries; this is usually the minimum voltage to run certain microcontrollers 3.7V: one LiPo battery; this is close enough to 3.6V and is the minimum to run certain microcontrollers 4.5V: three alkaline AA or AAA batteries. why even consider non-rechargeable in robotics? 4.8V: four AA or AAA together provide the minimum voltage to operate a standard hobby servo motor. These can be either as individual cells or as a single rechargeable battery pack. 6V: four AA or AAA alkaline batteries, five rechargeable NiMh cells or one 6V rechargeable lead acid pack; this is the maximum (and ideal) voltage most hobby servos can handle. Use these if your servos need a bit more power. 7.2V: six AA or AAA rechargeable NiMh batteries is perfect for 7.2V DC gear motors. These are usually in a battery pack rather than as individual cells and you will need a more specific NiMh battery pack charger. 7.4V: two LiPo cells can often power a microcontroller and works great for 7.2V DC gear motors. Unfortunately it's too high for most hobby servo motors. 7.5V: five alkaline AA or AAA: almost never used because it's simply too many single-use batteries. 8.4V: 7x NiMh AA batteries (hard to find chargers for 7xAAA NiMh batteries). This is also not used much because it means charging 7 batteries at the same time. 9V: 6x Alkaline batteries, one 9V (NiMh or Alkaline) battery or one 9V lead acid batteru: please avoid using 6x alkaline for the sake of the environment. A 9V single cell rectangular battery is often used to power the microcontroller in dual battery configurations. 9V lead acid batteries are a bit harder to find and although they are quite heavy, are fairly inexpensive and high capacity. 9.6V: 7x NiMh cells, usually in a battery pack configuration. This is good for motors which operate at 9V, and also for microcontrollers (most can operate above 9V). 11.1V: three LiPo batteries produces almost 12V and is much lighter than 10x 1.2V cells or a 12V lead acid battery pack. You need a specific LiPo charger capable of charging 3 cell LiPo packs. 12V: 10x 1.2V cells (always configured as one NiMh battery pack) or one 12V rechargeable lead acid battery pack. 12V is ideal for a variety of DC gear motors and most microcontrollers. Anything above 12V is usually reserved for very large robots. If you have a 14.4V LiPo or 18V NiMh pack from a cordless drill, keep in mind that finding motors which operate at these voltages is not easy. Robots using servo motors (legged robots or robotic arms) tend to operate at 4.8V (4x AA NiMh cells) or 6V (5x NiMh AA cells). You can use a fairly inexpensive voltage regulator to power the microcontroller, increasing the voltage from 6V to 9V.
Small to medium mobile robots often use a 6V, 9V or 12V NiMh battery pack, the choice of which depends on the nominal voltage of the drive motors. If the robot includes one or more servo motors (for a pan/tilt for example), the microcontroller can usually provide enough current from a 5V digital pin. If your microcontroller operates at 9V and you want to use 6V motors, you might consider a two battery solution.
Medium sized mobile robots tend to use one 12V battery; lead acid or single NiMh battery pack (or an 11.1V LiPo battery if weight is an issue). Large robots use 12V or 24V from one or more lead acid battery packs.
Chemistry NiMh: This is by far the most common type of battery used in mobile robots. NiMh batteries are rechargeable and their value (price / capacity / weight) is hard to beat. There is almost no memory effect, meaning every charge should bring the battery up to full capacity.
NiCd: These batteries are slowly disappearing because of their memory effect: if you don't discharge the battery properly and then recharge it to full capacity, you lose part of the capacity each time.
Alkaline: These are the least expensive batteries in the short term, and provide a higher voltage than NiMh, but are not great for the environment, and you constantly need to buy replacements.
Lead Acid: Still the cheapest option for high capacity, lead acid is usually reserved for medium sized robots because of their incredibly high weight.
LiPo: These are fast becoming the most popular type of battery because of their light weight, high discharge rates and relatively good capacity, except the voltages increase in increments of 3.7V, so you need to plan to use LiPo before selecting your electronics and actuators.
Nominal Voltage A motor's nominal voltage is the voltage at which the motor provides the best power output to efficiency ratio (rather than highest efficiency or highest power output). Operating a motor at the nominal voltage also helps to guarantee a long useful life.
Capacity A battery's capacity determines roughly how long a battery will last at a specific voltage given a specific discharge rate. For example, if you choose a 12V, 2Ah (2000mAh) battery pack (regardless of chemistry), the battery should be able to run a 12V motor consuming 2A continuously for 1 hour. Alternatively, it can run a 12V motor consuming 1A for 2 hours, or a 12V motor consuming 0.5A for 4 hours. The rule of thumb is to divide the capacity (assuming you are running an actuator at the same voltage) by the actuator's current under normal load to get the time the motor will last.
Example 1 2x Drive Motors: 6V nominal, 1A each under normal load
1x 6V NiMh Battery Pack, 2200mAh (equivalent to 2.2Ah)
Note that the battery was chosen based on the motor's nominal voltage.Should you instead operate 6V motors from a 7.2V battery, the calculations become more difficult (use the total watt-hours divided by the total watts per hour to get an idea).
Therefore the 6V battery pack will last:
2.2Ah battery / (2 motors x 1A per motor) = 1.1 hours
Example 2 18 servos used for a hexapod robot which operate at 6V nominal and consume 250mA under normal load*
1x 6V NiMh battery pack at 5Ah.
First, we will assume that all motors are under load at all times (i.e. worst case scenario) and therefore all 18 will be consuming a total of 4.5A
5Ah battery / 4.5A = 1.1 hours
Note again that the battery was chosen based on the motor's nominal voltage.
Discharge Rate The continuous discharge rate of a battery is very important because if you choose a battery that cannot discharge at the required current, the robot will either not work properly or not work at all.
Example 1 You selected four 12V motors for your 4WD outdoor mobile robot. Each motor consumes 1A under normal load, and more in the case of a slope. You decide to choose a 12V, 2Ah NiMh battery pack, not caring about the continuous discharge rate. You discover that your robot stops when it encounters even the slightest obstacle or incline. Why? In this case operating all four motors consumes ~4A while an NiMh pack can only discharge at about 1.2 times the capcity (1.2 x 2Ah = 2.4A). The current draw from the motors is therefore higher than the battery can provide.
Example 2 You selected two 7.2V DC gear motors which consume 1.5A each under normal load, and up to 2A each under stressful situations. This means that the battery needs to be able to provide at least 3A normally and up to 4A safely. If you choose an NiMh pack it would need to be 4A / 1.2C = 3.3Ah. The alternative would be to choose a LiPo pack because they can often discharge at 5C or higher, meaning you would be able to get away with a 4A / 5C = 0.8Ah pack. Granted the capacity is low, and you may opt for a higher capacity pack.
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The easiest option for multiple voltage level requirements is to use regulators off of a single battery IMO.
This is what I have done in Melvin, I run a 2S LiPo battery which is 8.4v when full and drops to 6.4v, then the alarm goes off to say charge me. My motors and my high torque servos run on 6V through a 6V 5A Regulator. The high torque servos for the arms will also run from a 6V 5A regulator. There will be 3 or 4 of these regulators in the robot.
This allows a single battery, a single charging solution and no messing around.
You also said that a 1S LiPo is 3.7v, which isn't wrong, but the voltage of a LiPo battery will drop as it discharges. A fully charged LiPo cell is 4.2v. Advising using one of them to power a 3.6v microcontroller may not be too clever if the microcontroller cannot comfortably accept 4.2v.
Once you add in regulators there are no reasons not to use a LiPo battery. Sizes are great, weights are great, capacity is great and price is great. The only disadvantage, and something you didn't mention above, is the danger of incorrect use but if you aren't a moron you wont burn your house down with one.
To add to this, If you are unable to find the correct battery for your microcontroller, you can parallel them or put them in series. Series= increasing voltage Parallel= increasing amperage(amount of power in the battery)
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@Rich "then the alarm goes off to say charge me. "
Can you please help me with that, I would like to add this function to my project , but don't really know how to properly implemented.
Voltage regulator is one of the best route to go, especially if multiples board need to be power. I am currently using 3 of them in one project ( ebay 3 for $10). Wrote it at 3am, just wanted to share some of my knowledge with the community and I agree with you 100%.
For monitoring and integrating in to ARC use the LiPo Battery Monitor Circuit & Script. It is easily adaptable for any battery size/type.
And for auto cut off of a LiPo to protect against under voltage have a look at this topic (note: I have not yet tested it out but the theory should work).
Batteries is a big item at my work ,since we design and make mostly all types of battery test equipment AMPROBE is a biggest line .
PJ that info is great for others that need info on selecting a battery for robots,as some robots might need GEL cell or NI-CAD OR LI-POLY it long list and each as its good and bad
I just designed a very high current battery charger that fully automatic FOR CURRENT AND CHARGE RATE THAT uses a very special current feedback circuit,
Once i see about getting a patent and more more boards will be looking to sell it.
NEXT design is for LI-POLY
LI-POLY is one of the ones used the most ,because it very light,but 2 drawbacks one is cost and other is doesn't last long
looking forward to seeing your works.
On charging batteries there are mostly 2 types ,one is CC (constant current) used for NI-CADS AND GEL CELLS and other is CC AND CV (constant current and constant voltage) for LI-POLY types Mostly they have 1% tolerance,my designs is using a special feedback design,that i sold to my company
Good thing about the battery changing design is using a little different design,so i dont get in to trouble with the company with the patent design i sold them,one i sold is ultra high precision AC/DC V/A SOURCE (NOT a power supply) This design calibrate high precision meters and test equipment.
Helpful thread.