YOU SIR, MUST BE RICH(not rich, but the money rich).

can't wait to see what you do. although, I think this is a bit of a rip off. it appears to use standard servos. all it has that a bipied doesn't is glossy plastic covering.

Yes its glossy plastic,got so many robots to build,don't know witch one to start on. But since i was a ghost for awhile i do have 1 almost done and finished.

This i like it a lot it i might start on it next till my parts come in for my other designs

It looks easy only mount the ezb and wire it up.

The good one is hard to get going ,its starts as a baby and as it learns it grows,thats how the design works.

Its a learning robot.

This is very cool it looks like the EZ-ROBOT leaning next to the letter E

Which PINO did you buy, version 1 or 2? Did you buy them now for $30k +? Looks pretty sweet, but expensive dang!

VERSION 1 ,got it at little lower price,made in 2001 by ZMP COMPANY in japan,trying to get the open source software They said mostly schools can get it ,but still will try. I like professional design robots ,next is HANSON ROBOKIND ZENO or DARWIN

wow I cant wait to see pictures and maybe even videos of your robot!

Every thing is in Japanese including the manual and box,but i found a manual in English.

Awesome! we are all waiting for you to post pics of you and Pino or whatever you are going to name it! It s nice to be retired and be able to devote so much time to something you love.....Post pics the moment you get them !

MIGHT name it DJ or EZROBOT since it looks the one on his website.

Do you have any photos or video of your robot? We are all dying to see your robots... Why would you need an English manual if it has no controller and will be using an EZ-B?

One is new and other the main pcb is bad,i thought i explain it in the first post. So on the new one i need a manual for it ,because i am not hacking it.

PHOTOS i will post before this weekend of both of them. operating him kinda hard it starts at level one as a baby and then after learning it goes to level 2. Found out the design wont let me skip to LEVEL 2.

On photos i hope DJ doest get too mad of me posting my other robots that not using EZB. He said to me awhile back if not using EZB do not post. BUT on this one since i am using a EZB i can post.

Robotmaker, That looks like a very cool robot from what info I found about it! Pino's Personality "Pino develops a personality in adult stage, depending on how he is treated as a child. To find out his personality press and hold the right ear and left hand sensors for a few seconds. The colour of Pinos eyes will determine his personality: 1.Naughty- Red Eyes. Pino will get angry easily. Create a naughty Pino by making him angry 5 times in child stage 2. Friendly- Yellow Eyes Pino will feel happy and enjoy singning, dancing and shaking hands. Create a friendly Pino by playing 5 games or more during child stages. 3.Shy- Green Eyes Pino will be slow to communicate. Create a shy Pino by playing less than 4 games during child stages Pino's Emotions"

I can,t wait to see what you will do with it after adding an EZB. Please post videos or pictures when you can. Steve S

Thats main reason one of him not using EZB ,other one since it broken its perfect for EZB.

I misplaced my memory card ,so will have photos up after 5pm today

HERE are the photo i said i would post about 5pm

By the way, there are two kinds of Pino, one is an advanced humanoid robot (45,000) and the other is a simple few degrees of freedom toy. I found a site with some info on the toy. www.theoldrobots.com/smallbot33.html

I found a video of what I believe is the PINO toy:

I believe this is the advanced humanoid:

These often show up on ebay etc. the last one sold went for under £10 including shipping but usually go for around £25-30. I hope it's not a case of "they saw you coming"...

not this one they are from JAPAN and toy ones are made from radica company this one is from ZMP 2001 ONE OF THE ITEM I CHECKED BEFORE I GOT IT, THE BOX IS IN JAPANESE,ONE FROM RADICA is in english The the real one

TOY design from RADICA from old robots site

i have the box and will post a photo of the date 2001 ZMP COMPANY ,and one thats $45000 if you check is the new design PINO VERSION 2

Just asking because your description of how they work described the toy version...

Also, ZMP had 3 versions of the toy, the most advanced was around 10,000 yen ($95) down to a basic model at just 500 yen. All had Japanese boxes. The box it comes in is no indication of it being a toy or being the Pino-DX or whatever.

here is info on PINO ROBOT one going for $30000 and one going for $45000 and they have a smaller like you said for $95 MOSTLY look at the date ONE FOR $30000 CAME OUT in 2001 and if you check the ZMP SITE VERSION 2 goes for $42000 not $95 servo magazine on prices

really they made 4 one without the plastic as a kit for $29000 pino version 2 and pino version 2 $45000 complete REGULAR PINO AT $30000 NOT MADE ANY MORE AND REPLACE WITH THE NEW VERSION 2

zmp COMPANY ON PRICES

RADICA version does say its a toy for 8 years old ,check the photo of the box

You misunderstand what I am saying. I am aware of the price (and the other differences) of the robots. I did not say that the version 2 goes for $95. Please take the time to read my posts and understand them.

But for the record the latest is version 3 released in 2006. Information is scarce on the version 3 however.

@robotmaker, we all just want to see you with your arms wrapped around both Pinos , then we can be with happy with you. At the moment we are all a little disbelieving you have to understand! I think I am from Missouri " the show me state" and..Muller from the X- Files " I want to believe" though he was talking about ET's :)

You said the most advance robot goes for 10000 YEN ($95) down to basic at 500yen IS that correct,most advance on ZMP COMPANY SITE IS VERSION 2 may be there is a version 3 ,i dont see any info on the ZMP SITE about it

Only thing i did find on the WIKI site is this,dont know if its really true ,since thats only info i see.

A commercial version of PINO is being sold by ZMP INC. a Tokyo-based robotics company. The latest version is Version 3 (released in August 2006).

That may be where you got you info,

Re-read my post.

I have made the key words stand out to aid you in understanding.

Quote:

Also, ZMP had 3 versions of the toy, the most advanced was around 10,000 yen ($95) down to a basic model at just 500 yen. All had Japanese boxes. The box it comes in is no indication of it being a toy or being the Pino-DX or whatever

To clarify further, the above paragraph was about the toy version. The most advanced of the toy version. Toy version. Not the Version 2 but the toy version. I cannot make it any clearer.

IROBOT you mean my table its on is not a good photo of it,same table that my other robots i took picture of and my johnny five photos.

SORRY dont see the reason to have my arms wrap around every robot i take pictures of.

RICH post a link to that info from ZMP SITE thats make it.

I think there is a mix up of the 2 types of PINO ROBOTS ,on the japan box it made by ZMP 2001

Then there is the TOY DESIGN made by RADICA ,EVEN THE BOX SAYS ITS A TOY Pino Robot by Radica 2004, - Dimensions: 14" ( 355.6mm ) high Pino was widely available in 2004, and now he is already a classic collectable robot.

ON bottom of the photo of my box its says 2001 zmp company

Sorry, my time machine broke I can't post a link to 2001...

However I can post a link to robot dreams write up on the Pino toys which confirm the toy prices and types previously mentioned and the Japanese retail toys which back up my comment about the box not meaning it isn't a toy version.

Out of interest, how tall are your Pinos?

"SORRY dont see the reason to have my arms wrap around every robot i take pictures of."

Well honestly Fred over the years the claims vs photos of robot is a fraction of a percent.

I can put my name on a card and put it next to the robot will that do. VERY few people have them next to their design. And if you see every photo i take is on that table of my robots.

I just dont like my photo of me in picture i take ,there is no reason for it.

This is about making robots and showing photos of the design.

Also this post is about 2 robots i bought not really about how much i paid for them or how much they are worth .

RICH on robotdreams site doesn't say how much version 1 pino robot dated 2001

BUT if you look at the servo magazine write up on PINO ROBOT version 1 2001 it says it runs about $30000 to build and $45000 for PINO VERSION 2

on the RADICA VERSION TOY DESIGN 2006 ITS $100 TO $200 for ages 8 and up

You misunderstand again and it just goes to show that engaging in conversation with you is pointless.

One last time, hopefully you understand.

ZMP released, in Japan, with Japanese boxes the Pino toy in 2001. Your box stating ZMP 2001 does not prove it is not the toy versions since ZMP made toy versions in 2001. That is all I am saying. I am not disputing anything about your Pinos (however am reserving judgement for now)

But, again, how tall are your Pinos? The photo seems to indicate around 16"/400mm is that right?

I SEE one person thinks it wasent me that took the photo of my robots and another says it may me a toy design WHY DOES THIS MATTER.

I posted that i bought 2 very cool robots and using one for EZB ,may be i should left the price that i found out what it sells for .and not post links to servo magazine issue thats states the price.

I am thinking the next robot i buy will be the same problem

SO THIS IS THE END OF QUESTIONS

ONE last item it seems all the designs of the PINO ROBOTS are toys,ones from $95 to $45000

I CHECK the link you gave me RICH and i see that ZMP is a toy company and so is RADICA a toy company and 2 different pino robots both look near the same but are different one 2001 model and one 2004 model

Robotdreams web site doesnt say anything about RADICA USA MODEL

You misunderstand what's been said.

You have to understand that if you claim to have bought 2 $40,000 robots then people will have reservations until you show photos. You have close to 100 robots apparently, we have seen a transformer head and an Omnibot 2000... You have a go pro so there is no excuse. You have everything anyone ever mentions. You have to understand that 1) people have been getting very bored of this constant bragging and 2) very reserved about believing it. I assume that is why people want photos, that and because we like to see in progress, before and after photos and videos.

As for saying it may be a toy design, I truly believe they are the toy versions based on their appearance, their size and the packaging. For $40,000 you wouldn't have a bright green cheap and nasty retail box like that. Also, the toys have covers over joints, the robot doesn't. So looking at your pictures you can see why I have made that reservation, I haven't claimed you are lying or anything along those lines I have been trying to establish some things about it and educate all on the different toy versions and robot versions.

I'm sure nobody meant any offence by any questions asked or demands made.

i AM NOT OFFENDED ,but DJ said NOT to post any robots unless it uses EZB ,so not going to get into trouble again by posting them.i did post many other robots besides omnibot 2000,i gues you forgot johnny five roborad robots with 7 of them on the same table and spy tank 2 of them ,plus rad robots and few others ,like roomba robot

ALSO I SAID THEY ARE $30000 they are worth didnt say about i got them for,and one was broken I am not bragging ,and that box is over 10 years old

SO I CAN ONLY POST robot that uses EZB only,if someone wants to come to my house or can try to put most of my robots i have near 70 or more in a photo and send it to a friend of mine on this forum to tell you he saw the robots i can do

Fred, please don't be offended on us wanting more clarification. Also, remember that because someone doesnt post on your thread does not mean that it isn't read. I know that many of us that have been here for over a year are wondering about your claims. Im sure that a photo with your name on it would be good enough.

[EDIT] Oh! So you didn't buy them for over $30+. You sure insinuated it. Also, I thought you were part of other forums and maybe had a website. Can you post them there?

@Troy Well said! @robotmaker..Fred please! ( "I want to believe" X-Files) I 'd love to see your name on a card! :)

I guess you want this done on every robot i post photos of.

TROY and IROBOT can you do me a favor too ,post your your self next to your robot or a card with you name on it too. love to see it

Will this do,do you now be leave that the robots are mine.

LOL I cant say that this request wasnt expected! You want me to prove I have 1 robot that I've already taken progress pics of? There is a difference but Im sure you fail to see it.

[EDIT] Let me add though that the robots look kinda cool. I will try and search youtube when I get home from work.

There are a couple of videos posted earlier in the topic, one of the toy robot and one of the advanced humanoid version. (They also show the differences between the appearance of the two if you look closely).

TROY was just kidding about you putting you name on a card and place it on your robot. May be RICH might need too

Yes because the video of me stripping down the robot, the video of the robot looking around and seeing me, the many many videos of my robots where you can clearly hear me, the photos dotted around my home which get shown in the background of the videos, and the live feed from my IP camera pointed directly at some of my robots isn't enough...

I'm going to leave it at that before I say something I shouldn't.

Just seem RICH trying MAYBE MAYBE to prove me wrong on the price on the PINO ROBOT

All i know this the guy i got from bought it from JAPAN and one i have you can only get it in japan ,can not get it in USA and got both long time ago for $16000 for both of them .

And for that model made by ZMP that DOES cost $30000 ,like it says on a few links i posted.

PLUS whats it worth or what i paid for it ,WHY DOES IT MATTER ?

WHY ?

Only that the broken one i am using the EZB and its a very cool robot,i only answer a question a guy asked about the model and i put up what the servo MAGAZINE said the price is,i guess they are wrong and ZMP SITE TOO

SO this the last post., ,next one will be a project showcase on the design

I'm not trying. If I was trying I would have posted a photoshopped image highlighting the main differences between the toy version and the advanced humanoid. Both of yours are the toy version based on the photo you published and the description given.

What does it matter what you paid? You tell me since you have great pleasure in pointing out how much everything costs you. All I am saying is you have two toy versions there not the advanced humanoid versions, this statement wasn't made on a whim.

I could pick apart your posts much more but I wont, I suspect it would just upset other people and I'm not going to do that if I can help it. For that reason I probably wont even come on the forum for the rest of the weekend.

NOT upset with you or anyone else ,i guess you can say or believe what you want. OR photoshop the photos doesn't matter,doesn't not change .

WOW GREAT have a good rest and weekend RICH :D

@Rich I cant view videos from work computer but I will view the ones you referenced. Also he was definitely kidding on you showing a pic of you and your robot. eyeroll

@Fred, they do appear to be the toy versions but look like a good place for an EZB. I definitely wouldn't do that to an expensive bot. So it's a good find.

..................Peace out!

SO far nobody shows me the price on the PINO robot with japanese box ,thats what i need very badly . SO until he finds info the the japanese style PINO ROBOT this post is closed ,rich can take photoshops photos with easy to change by the way

BUT some might say its a TOY until the price is posted,its not about a TOY ITS ABOUT THE PRICE

IT may be a toy or may be not ,there are so many toys $500 and up that CANT DO THE LEARNING MODE Thats where the money is at the very special software IT USES

video or link to websites on the design can show a cost of theirs made in USA ,BUT EVERYONE KNOW GETTING SOMETHING from JAPAN is very high as the the cost living there and customs bringing it back

PLUS the mother board in the bad robot cost $1000 explain that,and can only get it from JAPAN not including shipping and customs fee,or may be i am lying about the cost of the board one might think even if he says he doesn't say i am lier

Chill dude, it doesn't matter. But compare your photo to the videos, pay attention to the joints.

I learned a long time ago you dispute even the most concrete proof, I won't waste my time again.

Maybe this will clear this up. This is a picture of a Pino toy robot on eBay. Apparently it comes in 3 colors. This is the pink one with the Japanese box. The listing says it stands about 8" tall. It is pretty cool. However, the starting price was $40.00. The box and robot look the same to me as what you had in the picture, only a different color.

eBay Pino Toy

Hi @Robotmaker,

I am sorry but I really think you have bought the Pino toy, not the advanced robot... Here is a photo comparing the two... you clearly have the one on the right.

You can find it on Hobby Link Japan (http://www.hlj.com/product/tsu16108/Fun) and when you surf a little on the site you can see a mini-picture of the toy in its box. Here it is,on the left:

It is small, but you can clearly see that it is the same box you have.

You say you don't care about money, but if you have bought your robots around 30.000 $, it is robbery! You might (you should) ask for a refund and denounce the seller! I know I would...

[edit] @Bobbob21 have a found a far better picture ;)

one on ebay is cheaper model I THINK NEW I SEE IT FOR $100.00 LIST PRICE

ALSO i paid no where near $30000,i said that thats the price that servo MAGAZINE HAS IT for.

There 2 diifferent companies that sells them ,one i found is a design made by RADICA ,

OTHER is made from main company ZMP

@fredebc the one on the left is version 2 for $45000 ,one on the right cant tell its version one or toy

I posted the link of the ZMP SITE that shows the same robot version 2 and same photo for $45000 TAKE A LOOK AT THE PHOTO

Ok, so now I am lost...

You have the same robot that the one in @bobbob21 post (same box exactly, same robot), right ? So you know that you have bought a toy? The Japanese ZMP version, not the Radica one, but a toy anyway?

So why did you talk to us about the 30.000$ servo magazine model ? It was really confusing...

Also check the this website it has pink and green robot you posted ,but made by RADICA ,NOT made by the company who makes mine ,bottom of the box says made by ZMP 2001 AND one by RADICA 2006 ,SO IT MAKE LOOK THE SAME BUT MAY BE DIFFERENT

BECAUSE AT first i thought it was that price and might be close to it.

Waiting on someone that has a site with a price tag of the exact one ZMP 2001 model NOT made by RADICA difference might be in price is that one is made in USA CHEAPER ONE and one only sold in JAPAN price we dont know but WILL BE A LOT HIGHER THEN RADICA model,most likely i see now comparing the 2 its not $30000 unit but its not $60 or $100 MODEL SINCE FIRST IS THE ORIGINAL ONE and second it high JAPAN prices plus duty and shipping cost ,since this model IS NOT SOLD IN USA.

ITS MORE A RARE UNIT since nobody can show the same box made by the japanese company made in 2001 ALL OTHERS THAt POSTED ARE MADE BY radica 2004

check out oldrobot site all made by RADICA 2006 ,LOOK THE SAME by not the same and none has photos of the ZMP COMPANY

please show me one made in 2001 by ZMP company with price. oldrobots radica 2004 pino robot

So far been looking all over the internet for the zmp 2001 model to see if any has one. Only thing i did find the inventor. made the first one in 2001 and he owns the ZMP company.

SO it tell me mine is very rare and may be few out there,unless someone can find another same model I don't see any pink ones made by him,i do see that RADICA made a pink one

SINCE IT RARE it might be the reason for a price (unknown) but most likely very high ,like any item rare

@Robotmaker,

The picture in @Bobbob21 post is not with a RADICA robot, it is the exact same box than yours... everything is written in Japanese ! My pictures are from a Japanese web site, which don't sell Radica's products, but the same robots than yours (again, exactly the same box) And all are around 50$.

There is no mystery here. ZMP made a highly advance robot, then a copy toy for children and Radica was the distributor of the toy in US.

Cant tell its the same box unless it show the date and company ZMP LIKE MINE DOES

check the oldrobots site it has you same box and it says made by radica ,JUST BECAUSE ITS A JAPANESE web site they can still sell other company ,CHINA DOES IT its called importing

Here is just one photo of the oldrobot website with same photo you have only made by RADICA And they have the same box you have in green too please check the site

Whats very important is the date and company logo at the bottom,japan site doesnt show it

And the same one you have RADICA sells it for $60 ,but big problem most forget is the name and date at the bottom

PLEASE SHOW ME one showing the date and company name at the bottom ZMP 2001 and the inventor has his name on it too.

most likely its a good copy,my mom got a handbag that was to be worth big money,but found out it was a very very good copy,no way to tell,until she went to a place that knows about handbag and inside is show it was a copy ,no seal

NO WAY TO TELL if is a copy ,but was made in 2004 not 2001 and doesnt have the inventor name the one by RADAICA

All i want to see the box has the date and the inventor name and date like mine or its made by radica,may be write to the company that sells it,to find out it a copy or original one

UNTIL that can be done it cant be proven

I SEE there is a third company that makes them TSUKADA HOBBY,another copy same box

WHAT i think is going on first the inventor ZMP made the original one first and then maybe TSUKUDA HOBBY made one and then RADICA MADE in in japanese and in usa and PINK and green

iI dont the first one made was pink,mostly he made a green one,so i have the original first one ,witch makes it more rare then any of the other ones,i am thinking mine it worth near $500 so far there is nothing to dispute this yet.

SINCE only copies are shown or cant see the date at the bottom,i do see no its not $30000 as i first thought. LUCKY only paid $115 for both since one is broken,i dont why the board is $1000 to replace in the bad one may be custom fee,s shipping and japan high prices

GOING TO ASK THE GUY that went to japan to get it ,why is the board is $1000,might be they need to make the board again or shipping and customs,customs i know is very high above $300

BUT thats the info i found so far.

really dont care whats its worth,since the rare one thats the original one made i am keeping as a show item and collectors robot.

And the broken pino robot using a EZB

As I said, disputing concrete proof. There's no point in trying to convince otherwise..

Ok, maybe you should re-read the link given by Rich, it tells the whole story : http://www.robots-dreams.com/2004/11/about_pino.html

Here is a sentence :

"Technology from the original project was transfered to ZMP Inc. in June, 2001 in order to commercialize Pino. ZMP worked with a toy company named Tsukuda Original (related to Pal Box), and released three Pino models to the market, (...) The Pino toys were rolled out in October, 2001..." Tsukada robots were not copies, they were the originals, and they were toys.

By the way, if you "only paid $115 for both" (second to last post) and "really don't care whats its worth" (last post), maybe you should avoid to claim that "The robot its self costs $35000" (first post)... Don't you think?

You have the right to believe whatever you want. You said to the community, show me the PINO Japanese box which I did. The point was that you bought a 8 inch PINO "toy" robot, not the PINO robot which sold for upwards of $30,000. As far as it being rare, you have two of them. Maybe there is a market for PINO toy robots somewhere. If you are happy that's all that counts. I hope you enjoy them and will be interested in seeing how it performs with the EZ-B installed. Good luck and enough said.

Regards,

sorry not 8 inch 14 inch model i have ,BOB I DO have a ruler i can use to measure it,but it is 14 inches

SO last post by me ,until i post my ezb project design in a different thread under showcase I say the same thing and not upset or offend anyone or say anyone is right or wrong But no way to tell until i see proof of the photo showing the date and ZMP company like mine has

ALSO i said a few times i found out not it not a $30000 unit,small mistake ,but now its a rare unit unless i see proof of the photo of the date on it or just a copy

I AM very happy on it got very low cost and so far one is a rare one or original one and other one ?

Also it has to be a toy since its not the $30000 unit i first thought it was in first couple of posts

RICH did say it looks like the 14 inch model witch he is correct

14" is also a toy. The advanced humanoid robot is around 24" - 36" based on the videos of it.

3 Toys were made as explained before and in the robot dreams link, the most advanced toy is about 14", these what you got. The main give away between toy and advanced humanoid are the joints. Yours appear to have the joints of the toy version.

I won't say anything about the $30,000 each claims in the first post and the later admission of the much lower price, that speaks for itself. All I will say is that it doesn't help anyone who may be searching for info on the pino in the future.

And as previously mentioned they are popular on eBay over here (including jap version) and go for £20-30 Max.

@fredebec THIS IS WHAT I FOUND out about same as you only the one made tsukuda did buy the company ,but the first ones made had the zmp company and date on it then when TSUKUDA BOUGHT THE COMPANY THEY PUT THERE BRAND NAME ON IT.

thats the same with all companies when they buy another company out or a small line of them And the reason that ZMP SOLD PART OF THE ROBOTS THEY WANTED TO MAKE PRO ROBOTS

like i said a few time i made a mistake just every does at times on the cost of the item I got that info on the price from servo magazine

still others still bring up that point about me says it cost $30000 and i said it doesnt cost that much

so far since the item is its worth a lot more,just like anything thats rare or first one made

THIS SHOWS proof thats its made by the ZMP COMPANY not TSUKUDA HOBBY COMPANY thaey put there company on the package ,first to show they made and second to let customers contact the company for repair

DOEST MAKE ANY SENSE to have another company name on their product

SO I HOPE THIS ENDS IT,BUT I BET NOT

LAST time it is a TOY doesnt COST $30000 as i thought ,but mostly a rare item unless there is proof about the company name placed near the bottom,i would like to see a box with ANOTHER COMPANY NAME who made the same item. thats very good

NOBODY can say if the item is rare or not ,just that simple What a rare item is when its made my the original company and only a few made 1000 may be 2000 and then sold to another company,also the date over 12 years old, This one was made by the company before they sold it,BUT I THINK SOME WILL SILL DISPUTE IT

BUT the main item is what the topic heading says (i bought 2 very cool robots ) and we are off that topic 100%

PEOPLE MORE WORRIED ABOUT what i said wrong about the price then the topic its self,may be just looking to find a fault or something

AT LEAST only person who said some thing good and on topic is STEVE about the learning mode it has. my manual i have on it says the same thing ,i see very few robots that can do that

on the first page about how it works,its same for one made by TSUKUDA HOBBIES or one made ZMP COMPANY who made the code or by RADICA ITS ALL THE

RICH like always got it off topic but looking for mistake by me,i know now it was a mistake if he didnt say anything there would be any one else saying something i think

RICH on ebay cheapest price is $100 sometimes $70 8 INCH model is about $40 to $60, mine was at a super deal ,guy had it at $175 free shipping buy it now and start price for both $115 i got very lucky i seen them sell for $100 before he posted the one i bought I AM SMART EBAY BUYER,reason i get my stuff at a fairly low cost BUT it seems you love to find faults in me ,like in my robot photos,when you said it was a stock items and didnt wait till i posted the real robot photos of them in about a hour or so.

Re-read the topic. I was very thorough before mentioning the fact that they aren't the advanced ones... I did a lot of research and asked you questions in order to make that judgement.... you know what, I really do not need to justify anything. This has just proven to me that when I attempt to be civil to you it just doesn't happen.

But if it makes you feel better carry on trying to blame me for everything.

ok you say that not going to argue with you,but only you make a comment like that nobody else,until you make a comment then some others make comment to it also

THIS STILL ABOUT the main topic please keep it like that,so same problem happens again. OK rich please do me that FAVOR, THIS IS MY LAST POST

ALAN said not to answer you no more and am not listening to him,but i will now SORRY ABOUT THAT ALAN YOU ARE RIGHT

First, I'm not trying to put you down but the reason we are off topic is because what you say in your posts. Your first post said:

"Called PINO robot ,one works perfect and the other need a main cpu board and found out the board costs $1000 frrom japan (ouch) so it perfect for a EZB The robot its self costs $35000 and there is a newer design PINO 2 AT $45000"

Then you say:

"VERSION 1 ,got it at little lower price,made in 2001 by ZMP COMPANY in japan,trying to get the open source software They said mostly schools can get it ,but still will try. I like professional design robots ,next is HANSON ROBOKIND ZENO or DARWIN"

Then another post says:

"All i know this the guy i got from bought it from JAPAN and one i have you can only get it in japan ,can not get it in USA and got both long time ago for $16000 for both of them ."

What was the point of including the price in your post? Frankly, it sound like you were bragging. If you didn't include the price in your post, which I believe everyone was skeptical of, and then say that you got it a little lower price which implies a little less than $35,000, the posts would have stopped long ago. Then we find out you bought it off of some guy on eBay for $175 that said he bought them for $16,000 along time ago? Did you really believe that you could buy that expensive of a robot (2) for $175? Here's a tip. Check your facts first and leave out the price next time you post about getting a new robot and you will see different results.

Fred, to be fair, Bob summed up 70+ posts pretty well.

THANKS it might work,but with RICH in my robot photos it didnt work,RICH found another fault by me that does not matter. it was about the photos i posted was stock photos not mine,IF HE WAITED just a little time i posted my real photos of those 2 items

And there will be another post he will look for a fault of mine ,i know for a fact.what he should do wait till someone else if the make a comment on my fault and then say something about it.

another good TIP I JUST dont reply to RICH but thats kinda hard

AND you said a comment about this ( Did you really believe that you could buy that expensive of a robot (2) for $175?) Many times you hear on the internet that someone buys something at a yard sale and found out when is was checked it was worth thousands of dollars and they paid a few bucks

IT happen to me i went to a thrift store and saw a set of dishes for $75 AND when i took it to dealer that knows prices it was worth $1275 made in 1927 some people doesnt know what some items are worth

when i got mine for $115 i thought it was worth $35000 to $30000 since i saw it in my servo magazine and thought the guy doest know what its worth at first.

I THINK HE WAS LOOKING FOR A LOT MORE. AND DONT forget one is worth nothing its broken

BUT as i checked FREDEBEC comments he is party right its a toy and not worth $30000,most likely worth $500 may be a little less The robot might only cost about a $100 but since its a original and may be one of the first one or so made its worth that much

NOBODY can dispute or not dispute the fact that its one of the first one made ,only ZMP ON THE BOTTOM SAYS THAT

PLUS it said it brought it over from japan where only you can buy it there,but that was after i got it.

SO i hope this ends it and get back to the post about HOW COOL IT IS ,its not about really about what i paid or what its worth or what i said about the wrong price

Thats what it was all about. Clarification. We didnt think you had what you thought it was and you implied paying a ton of money for them. Usually that makes people wonder and want more info. Good thing you didnt pay a lot on it.

NEVER said the cost i said i paid well under $30000 it can be $10 is well under or $115 is well under it but in the beginning never said the price only well under it.

i BROKE MY rule,i said i would not respond any more to this post any more.

ALSO you made a comment about bob on the 70 posts ,but it made a small mistake or ? saying about a 8 inch toy its 14 inches big difference,and one ebay i did see 8 inch pino also bid on by mistake also.

NOT trying to put BOB ,just showing everyone makes a mistake or ?

Also everyone is guilty of off the topic besides me,just because i got topic doesnt make it right for others to get off topic too ,now does it ? i think two wrongs does make it right is the saying.

PLus just because i made a mistake about the cost others dont need to make a comment about it ,not really important to prove i am wrong or made the mistake

plus me adding to it just made it worse too.

answer this question why does others want to make comments about my mistake i made on the price.? and forget about the off topic items i see almost every post has off topic items by almost everyone

Final post from me on this to clarify a few things Fred.

It wasn't the mistake in the value of the robot's which I or anyone else were disputing but the fact you said they were not the toy versions. You had implied (and argued) they were the $35,000 versions and you paid slightly less than that. Slightly less implies 10-15% or so. My first post about that version was expressing my concern that "they saw you coming" since they sell for £30 max on ebay UK (I recently bought 2 for £16 for the pair! This is how I knew you had the toy version - FYI they all say copyright 2001 ZMP on the foot).

Establishing and attempting to make you understand was the majority of the topic. You constantly denied they were the toy versions, I wont name names but I had a lot of emails over this topic and your responses and attitude. Honestly, and I'm not saying this to be nasty or anything but re-read the entire topic from someone else's point of view.

So to answer your question on why others want to make comments about the price you posted originally, because it looked as though you had got a bum deal and needed to take it up with the seller.

With regards to toy values, and Antron007 will be able to back this up with his transformers collection, but any value is lost once the box is opened. Even if it is the first one made it's worth substantially less if it's not in a C10 condition sealed box. With no certificate of authenticity your robots are worth the same as one fresh out of the factory.

But the most important thing I personally think you should take away from this is, if you need to use the $ on the keyboard and the post isn't about a script variable, stop, think and see if you really need to post the cost/price/value.