The Desire For Attribution
I need a sounding board. It's AI and robot-related in the sense that it affects the members of the community that generate content, offer support, and share ideas.
Here are my questions to the community:
In general, ideas being taken or appropriated is quite normal. There's also the case where good ideas also seem to rise to the surface in multiple minds when the time is right. Still, is it justified to still want some attribution or recognition for those ideas if you were the original source for them?
In the end, is it just best to advocate for yourself, rather than waiting to be recognized by others, build your own personal brand via social media or otherwise? The concept would just be to be the loudest voice for yourself and to have undeniable and documented proof that the idea is yours.
Personal remarks:
I'm struggling, I used to find personal reward and satisfaction in generating and sharing ideas, but that's been tarnished over time. I have had some ideas taken and used without attribution or they have been ultimately appropriated. I don't expect to always financially gain or see rewards from my ideas and contributions, but I do hope to see some recognition or attribution. I live by the concept: give credit where credit is due.
Generating ideas often takes me a lot of time because as much as I love and value creativity, my mind works so much better when working within limited parameters. I'm more engineering-minded and can execute much faster in a limited scenario rather than having to build a creative concept from scratch. Generating ideas isn't all that I'm talking about here, it's only half the issue. The other half is actually executing on them.
Executing ideas is the real battle, bringing ideas into existence is something that requires time and investment. This is where someone can really win or lose monetarily. It depends on how much time and effort to put into your idea and if you are even well-equipped to execute it. Often time there are people or organizations that are more equipped to execute your ideas than you are.
Should we then see our ideas as just the initial step in a process and not place any arbitrary value on them? The advent of generative AI also brings up the concept that ideas are now valueless (democratized) because AI can exude billions of ideas per second. We no longer need people to generate ideas but only to prompt them. This now puts much more value on the execution of ideas.
If I execute an idea, is my desire for attribution justified?
@Jeremie I read your GeoCaching article in the latest issue of MAKE magazine, Vol 86. First of all, CONGRATULATIONS!!! Way to go!!!
I really enjoyed your article, because I never "got" what GeoCaching was before, with your writing style it really brought me into that experience almost like I was along for the ride with you and I could really picture your enthusiasm and it helped me understand the appeal it has and helped me "get it".
Have you ever considered authoring a book on some of your various maker and robotics experiences or perhaps more article in the future?
Thank you very much @Justin!
I really appreciate the positive feedback, and glad you enjoyed it!
I don't think I'd ever have time to write a book but I do plan on making a bunch of TikToks, Instagram Reels and YouTube shorts on robot-related content. I've been shooting all my videos in portrait (vertical) mode lately so they won't work for regular YouTube content. I have almost finished outfitting my garage to double as a video studio, I'm thinking about going live again but this time both TikTok and YouTube.
I have so much accumulated content that I've filmed over the last 2 years that I really need to edit and release. I usually use the mobile TikTok interface to edit videos but it's still a bit painful when it comes to adding songs that won't get flagged on other platforms for copyright infringement. It's especially hard when it comes to longer-form content because the majority of audio clips are only 1min. YouTube shorts are max 1min so maybe I'll have to limit myself to 1min content and do a series in parts. I could also make videos without songs but I would likely have a hard time wrapping my head around it
At this point in my life, I realize that I'm never going to be a great teacher but I do love to share stories and experiences with people. I'm not great at it but I am growing in that area and desire to be better.
I do like writing articles, maybe servo magazine would be interested?
For what its worth I've spent decades working with people and companies that gave no credit to contributions I made no matter their size or impact. It never got better until, I decided that it was important to me, that people knew about those contributions and I became very vocal. It often rubbed people the wrong way and sometimes I got threatened to shut up or be fired. But in the end I stuck to my guns. Often the people barking the loudest were the ones who had the least amount of skills sets and were trying to make themselves look more competent.
When I have opportunities I thank everyone for their contributions. Its important for everyone to feel their contributions have value, no matter how big or small they maybe. If you find yourself in a position to start a company or work on a project make sure everyone has been accounted for.
Social media is one way to ensure your voice is heard and to display what you are working on/creating and how you are doing it. Also doing colabs with people can get you more exposure, especially if you are working on the same project together. As long as it is not crossing over any non-compete/ NDAs issues.
The long short of it, treat others with the respect and recognition you feel you deserve. Find a pathway to attaining what is important to you and don't let others dissuade you from that path. Be vocal about your contributions, because most people will not do it for you. Most of all remember, you are the captain of your ship.
Thanks Will!
That definitely confirms a few things for me. We are likely going to be the only true advocates for ourselves in this life, and masters of letting the world around us know what we need and truly desire. What my friends used to call, "good people", do exist out there. They may hype you up at times, and genuinely are happy for you but it's rare to have a person or company really promote you as an individual. I think it's a self-interest thing, maybe we are too individualistic and competitive in our culture. People would love to see themselves or their company celebrated. We don't recognize that talent in certain areas is rare and rather than celebrate it some people would rather try and emulate it to see if they can do better, or downplay it.
I'm at a crossroads between cynicism and acceptance. Slowly starting to move forward!
Hi Jeremie,
I was just reading many posts and I came across your post for The Desire For attribution. Are you not remunerated monetarily or if you want to be? - I don’t know your agreements or contracts
attribution: the action of regarding something as being caused by a person or thing the action of ascribing a work or remark to a particular author, artist, or person the action of regarding a quality or feature as characteristic of or possessed by a person or thing
For whatever it is worth, just to let you know I do appreciate your contributions to EzRobot and Synthian. You and DJ did some wonderful demonstrations in the past. Like to see more...:D
I am basically new to robotics, started around 2020 (3 years) learned many things here.
I see social media is one of the problems, it does not reflect the true meaning of people’s reactions or thoughts.
Face Book Youtube etc and the rest, can leave a bad taste in your mouth, so to speak.
maybe self-satisfaction and achievements are enough
nallycat had some similar thoughts in the past:
nallycat Canada #40 Jul 2020
@EzAng Thanks for the nice Comment,
Just between you and me I don't think many members of Synthiam appreciate when you make videos, not many even comment on your videos and they don't realize the time and effort it takes to make videos.
I use my time for building and designing and I like helping members with fresh ideas.
if you check youtube there are a few videos I made of my inmoov robot. Cog is my latest robot and not many members found interest in Cog.
as it is not in my nature to impress people, I build for myself.
That is why it is so quiet at synthiam. no body likes to comment on anything
nallycat Canada #54 Jul 2020
@EzAng As I have said I don't waste my time making videos, as no one watches them anyway
AI has no real feelings, don't look for attribution there
I went through a phase of not making videos because I didn’t see an impact. But once I stopped, I saw the impact haha. There may have only been a handful of views, but those views mattered. They mattered because those viewers needed the content. So I ended up realizing that it’s not about the number of ppl that I help - but the one person who really needed it.
comparing robot videos to other Tik tok content isn’t relatable. Even if a robot video gets a lot of views, its follow up interaction is minimal. Algorithms of tik tok give everyone a hit to keep them addicted - even though there’s no follow through.
good way to tell us take a tik tok artist and look at their YouTube. You’ll get one or two views only.
so what I’m saying is don’t measure your success on how many ppl watch. Consider the few that really matter.
Lastly, on behalf of the forum not having a large comment interaction - that’s normal these days. And it isn’t isolated to Synthiam. There’s an overwhelming list of social apps. Ppl who have relevant things to say don’t converse on social anymore because they use real life interactions instead. The ppl who do use social for comments is about complaining or arguing. So the lack of interaction on Synthiam is good because it means less hostility - unlike other robot forums which is full of ego and opinions.
now lastly I want to say that the view count of content on the forum says a lot. A thread can have thousands or tens of thousands of views, but only a handful of comments. Remember, that means lots of ppl actually read and looked at your content but didn’t feel like engaging in conversation about it. They may have learned from it. They may have found it entertaining. But what ever it was, there’s tens of thousands of ppl doing that to many threads here.
even this thread has 156 views at time of my comment - meaning ppl are interested whether or not they have anything to say. I really don’t have a lot to say on social these days but that doesn’t stop me from watching and reading every video and post on here
Thanks for your reply and kind words @EZAng!
While I do half expect to receive attribution from my employer, this is more about my contributions to the maker community in general. My contributions to the maker world often go unnoticed and there is zero compensation or remuneration for these efforts. In fact, I often lose time and sleep and have to invest my personal funds into projects. If attribution were applied correctly I would likely be okay with losing these things as it would be a fair trade-off. Credit (where credit is due) and legacy are deeply important things to me.
It may be an unrealistic expectation, as it's not natural for our society/employers to do this.
I've learned a few things here and there are a bunch of ideas things that have come out of this conversation that I think are important:
Oh and also add that copying is the best form of flattery
. so in regards to some things I see other companies doing to copy your efforts is flattery haha